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| Ilanah_Ilyone | Date: Tuesday, 27 Oct 2015, 7:05 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Jess is at the happiest place on earth. She also went on star tours three times yesterday....and had to recruit jarons help with identifying a few of her Star Wars collectors pins. Also...she's Disney bounding as darth Vader today. But for now, she's going back to sleep.
Or going downstairs to get a Mickey waffle..... 
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 27 Oct 2015, 12:34 PM | Message # 17 |
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| WELL I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR WAFFLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Karth·DeQora | Date: Wednesday, 28 Oct 2015, 0:16 AM | Message # 18 |
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| I got 10PM tickets on the 17th, so I'm going internet-dark to avoid spoilers until then.
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| Drasek_Cale | Date: Thursday, 29 Oct 2015, 10:05 AM | Message # 19 |
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| I haven't got my tickets yet.  I really ought to do that.
Anyone besides me notice that the Empire went overnight from male-dominated to female friendly and supportive of the LGBPT community?
Anyone?
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 29 Oct 2015, 1:54 PM | Message # 20 |
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| Well homosexuality (or uh, LGB... P?... Whatever. That's not homophobic; the acronym changes all the damn time) basically didn't exist in the old canon. Just like Iran, or South Sudan, or other nice places. So the Empire just didn't have, nor need a policy on homosexuality. Personally, I think without a history of Christianity and other homophobic religions (the Force is just vague spirituality), there's really no logical reason for homophobia in the Star Wars galaxy, especially when bigoted people have all these alien species to be grossed out by. I would think that inter-species sex would be a bigger issue, or being anti-Jedi etc.
So really, I think it's a change in our universe, not the Star Wars universe. We're just more willing to portray homosexuality in popular culture now.
Sexism is different, though. In the old canon, the Empire had a "Non-HuMan" policy which excluded women just as much as aliens. So that is a change.
Quote Wookieepedia Non-huMan or NhM was the Imperial designation for aliens, humanoids, droids, cyborgs and female Humans. This label was a tool of Human High Culture, and it was said that NhM bigotry reached its height in the pre-Endor Imperial Navy.
Yeah, not anymore. It's a bit strange that the Empire, who are the villains, are now portrayed as more tolerant than they used to be, but I don't really have an opinion otherwise. It's nice to see more women in power roles.
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| Drasek_Cale | Date: Thursday, 29 Oct 2015, 8:18 PM | Message # 21 |
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| P for 'Pansexual.'
But no, I just kinda feel strange that the 'traditional' Empire as known by all of us growing up and watching the original movies has altered so much (mostly by the addition of the females in command positions).
Mostly I just don't like how the current state of political agenda has altered the new books. I mean, novels published as late as one or two years ago felt no need to specifically include mention of characters who were homosexual. I don't have anything against homosexuals, mind you, I just don't think it necessarily needs to be continually pointed out within Star Wars. It just seems like its a ploy to pull extra fans, or pander to the alternate-lifestyle community.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 29 Oct 2015, 10:43 PM | Message # 22 |
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| Which is perfectly valid except, since gay people have existed for all of time, one could say that the absence of homosexual characters prior to now was the result of political agendas that are simply no longer current. I think it's just the nature of social change that what was once normal now isn't and what wasn't normal now is. Since we all know, or know of, people who are gay, it's fine with me that they be as much a fact of Star Wars books as they are a fact of life.
Now, I admit that I'm kind of dense when it comes to sexual innuendo because for some reason sex is the one thing about which people, gay or otherwise, can't just say what they mean and instead use slang and euphemisms, but if there are gay characters in the Star Wars books so far (and I'm told there are), it's been subtle enough that I haven't noticed. I'm still reading Aftermath, but I suppose there are a couple of old ladies in that book who are probably in a relationship. But it's not stated explicitly, at least not so far. (No spoilers, please. I'm not enjoying Aftermath—in fact I've found it annoying multiple times—but I'm going to make a push to finish the damn book by this weekend.)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 29 Oct 2015, 10:50 PM | Message # 23 |
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| Also it's hard to believe Palpatine wasn't gay. Closest thing he has to a relationship his entire life is Sate Pestage, who is constantly at his side from Naboo to Coruscant and Republic to Empire. Palpatine surrounds himself with colorfully-dressed men, goes to the opera with scandalously younger men, has a nice art collection. The only reason to doubt it is because his black robe is a horrendous fashion choice.
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| Six-O | Date: Friday, 30 Oct 2015, 7:19 AM | Message # 24 |
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| I imagine Palpatine, and probably almost all Sith are more ruled by "attraction" than our Earthly notion of sexuality. Undoubtedly there are In-Universe Religions, and Cultures that practice a regimented view of sexual preference, but on the Galactic Scale, like Jace and I talked about in messenger, I would think the species you are attached to in your relationship was a much deeper cause for concern, than the gender of the individual.
To that same regard with women in higher authority and presence, I actually find that extremely refreshing, personally. The lack of their presence in the Original material is again the likely result of our real world stance and the social views and pecking order of the time rather than anything else. OR! It is a clever, and very subtle In-Universe depiction of how after 30-some-odd years the sociological order of the Galaxy has changed under this new Regime.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 31 Oct 2015, 11:12 PM | Message # 25 |
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| Quote JKa-60 (  ) I imagine Palpatine, and probably almost all Sith are more ruled by "attraction" than our Earthly notion of sexuality.
It occurs to me, the Dark Side encourages passion and permits relationships, but these things are at cross-purposes, aren't they? A relationship (ideally) is a source of happiness and fulfillment in life. I'd be willing to bet that 2/3rds+ of everyone who's ever blown themselves up for a religious or political cause was a virgin, especially these Islamist types. Sexual repression can manifest itself in all kinds of destructive and evil ways. Seems to me someone who is happily married with children is less likely to be a Sith—indeed, most of the Sith we see, certainly all of them in the films, are just as sexually dead as the Jedi.
Then again, "passion" in the Sith Code could refer more to sexual conquest than to a happy relationship. But I've always understood that the Sith do allow relationships while the Jedi do not.
Quote Jace_Varitek ( ) if there are gay characters in the Star Wars books so far (and I'm told there are), it's been subtle enough that I haven't noticed.
Yeah, so I noticed it now. Adam is right—in Aftermath, you really can't miss it. Hopefully this doesn't sound homophobic, but...
... yeah, I think that probably sounded homophobic. I should be quiet now.
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| Karth·DeQora | Date: Sunday, 01 Nov 2015, 11:06 AM | Message # 26 |
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| Eh, I think that's valid and not particularly homophobic. It's okay to not be able to relate to a gay character if you aren't gay yourself, man. Homophobia falls more into the realm of 'faggots should burn in hell' etc. While I personally am glad to see that after 30 or so years that they're striving for a bit more representation in Star Wars; I think the preponderance of them in Aftermath are just the personal choices of the author. It's not unheard of for there to be biases after all (though it's in a much lesser vein, see Karen Traviss re. the Mandalorians in books that aren't the Republic Commando series. Jaina going to Boba Fett to learn how to fight Sith? Seriously?).
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 25 Dec 2015, 7:14 PM | Message # 27 |
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| I've been scared to do this because I don't remember all the predictions I made about Episode 7 but I'm quite sure many, possibly most of them are wrong. But I did not give in to the Dark Side; I had no spoilers to help me. And most of my predictions about the Disney acquisition and the general direction of the franchise turned out to be correct. So let's recap.
1. The prequels will be ignored.
CORRECT.
2. The Star Wars live-action TV series, Star Wars: Underworld, is doomed.
CORRECT. MAYBE?
3. Episode VII will be a quality film and a crowd pleaser.
CORRECT.
4. Nonetheless, Episode VII will take a wrecking ball to the post-Trilogy expanded universe.
CORRECT.
5. There will be new levels of Star Wars canon.
CORRECT.
6. The video game Star Wars: 1313 will be fine.
WRONG! MAYBE?
7. The principal characters of the original trilogy won't be seen in Episode VII.
WRONG!
8. There won't be another Jar Jar. At least not in Episode VII.
CORRECT.
Now the Episode 7 predictions I've been pretending I didn't make...
1. Kylo Ren is not Luke. Let's just get this out of the way first.
CORRECT.
2. Some years after Endor, the Imperial Remnant will launch a surprise attack on the New Republic using new and improved laser weapons and reduce the Republic to a remnant of its former self.
WRONG!
3. Finn is a stormtrooper who deserts the First Order, not a Resistance fighter undercover as a stormtrooper.
CORRECT.
4. A surprisingly large portion of the movie will be spent on Jakku following Rey's exploits as a junk salvager working either for or against someone named Unkar.
SORT OF.
Yes, that happens. But it's not "a surprisingly large portion of the movie." There's more of it in the novel, of course.
5. The concept art we've seen of an old AT-AT on its side will feature in the film and be Rey's hideout/residence on Jakku.
CORRECT.
6. Rey is Han Solo's daughter.
WRONG!
7. ... But probably not Leia's.
SORT OF.
I mean yeah.
8. Han Solo will die.
CORRECT.
9. General Hux will die.
WRONG!
(He should have).
10. Captain Phasma will die or be seriously injured.
SORT OF.
Captured/incapacitated. Sort of.
11. Kylo Ren and Supreme Leader Snoke will not die.
CORRECT.
12. The mechanical hand reaching out to touch R2 isn't Luke, it's Finn.
WRONG!
13. BB-8 speaks English and belongs to Poe Dameron.
SORT OF.
14. Luke appears in the film, but only briefly and towards the end. (Bonus prediction: He will die in Episode VIII).
NAILED IT.
15. Someone will say, "I have a bad feeling about this."
CORRECT.
16. The credits will say "Very Special Thanks to George Lucas."
MAYBE?
(I didn't actually stay for the credits. I have no idea).
17. There will be a Wilhelm Scream.
CORRECT.
There's a Wilhelm Scream in the trailer but I'm not sure I heard it in the movie itself. I'm guessing it's there, though.
So, mixed bag I suppose. At least it's colorful.
Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 25 Dec 2015, 7:27 PM | Message # 28 |
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| Also, a Christmas present for you, JKa-60: the short story "Bait" about Grummgar was released three days ago in Star Wars Insider 162. Bazine's story has been out for awhile but it's not all that interesting, honestly. I haven't read the Grummgar one. Probably won't. But it's out there now for Grummgar fans.
Jace Varitek
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| Drasek_Cale | Date: Sunday, 27 Dec 2015, 3:47 AM | Message # 29 |
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| So I just bought the novelization of Episode VII oh... about 10 minutes ago.
No doubt I'll spend my work day reading it.
I also finally saw the movie about half an hour ago, and let me tell you, sequestering myself from facebook and all social media possibilities to preserve the entire film is hard work (considering I play SWTOR. Thank god I can get back on facebook again.)
I've put the next 'Aftermath' book on my pre-order list and I am beginning lots of research onto Snoke, the Knights of Ren, the First Order and, specifically, their cool new tech (since I love my tech)
That being said, I felt the movie was a mix of nostalgia for me and new fun. My wife was pissed because I kept grabbing her arm and shaking her and whispering 'holy fuck!' in an extremely loud voice. I think it annoyed the people next to me as well, but I was too excited.
I won't lie, I teared up like a motherfucker when Harrison Ford died.
But, best of all... need for RP rekindled!
I mean, seriously, between The Force Awakens and finally learning what happens to Revan and the rest of the old, old, old, old (insert more here) Republic, I'm having a Star Wars-gasm on both ends.
Drasek Cale
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| Six-O | Date: Sunday, 27 Dec 2015, 10:25 AM | Message # 30 |
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| Quote Jace_Varitek ( ) Also, a Christmas present for you, JKa-60: the short story "Bait" about Grummgar was released three days ago in Star Wars Insider 162. Bazine's story has been out for awhile but it's not all that interesting, honestly. I haven't read the Grummgar one. Probably won't. But it's out there now for Grummgar fans.
Well I wouldn't exactly call the story epic by any means, but they've left me deeply intrigued and given me a name for his species. New character imminent XD
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