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Praetor Battlegroup
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| Admiral_Blackwood | Date: Friday, 24 Jul 2015, 10:58 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Praetor Battlegroup is the Imperial Naval Fleet commanded by the Clone Wars Veteran Admiral Blackwood, its numbers include the following vessels (as permitted by management).
(x1) Praetor Mark II class Battlecruiser - The Praetor - Command Vessel of the Praetor Battlegroup
(x1) Secutor class Star Destroyer - The Invictus
(x1) Interdictor class Star Destroyer - The Harbinger
(x1) Imperial II class Star Destroyer - The Ravager
Caveat
At all times, Admiral Blackwood is boarded upon the Praetor, however this caveat is specifically for those vessels that are to make up the standing forces of the Praetor Battlegroup. The Secutor, Interdictor, and Imperial II (if approved) remain on standby within a reasonable distance; within at least a system's jump away from the Praetor or otherwise stationed at Kuat until otherwise commanded. This caveat is to limit the sizable power that is already commanded by Admiral Blackwood in the Praetor Mark II.
Further more, it is to ensure that not all of the vessels of the Praetor Battlegroup are together at one time, making an engagement with the Admiral and his Fleet otherwise suicidal or preventing others from taking action against him due to the size, armament and compliment carried by the combined fleet.
Additional limitations (within reason) that are chosen to be placed upon the Praetor Battlegroup will be accepted to further limit its influence and impact of the Admiral and the Battlegroup as a whole.
Admiral Blackwood
Commanding officer of the Praetor
Imperial Navy
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 31 Jul 2015, 4:26 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I do appreciate that you're including that caveat, as a recognition that these ships would be far too powerful if used in tandem.
However.
Over the years I've been managing, I've developed the rather firm belief that caveats usually solve one problem by creating one or more totally unanticipated problems. Every caveat is going to have loopholes, and it's been my experience that they're very troublesome to enforce. So, this time around I'm quite against caveats of any sort, and I'm sticking to the 4-ship rule and leaving it entirely up to the player's discretion how they want to use them. "There are no conditions, no bargains or petitions," so goes a song from Les Miserables.
But that leaves the problem which you recognize, that these ships are too powerful together. You'll recall when you chose the Praetor, I cautioned you that the other ships in Blackwood's fleet would need to be support ships along the lines of, say, CR90 corvettes. I want to accommodate you on this, but I don't see a way around the fact that Blackwood has, simply put, the most powerful ship in the RP.
Jace Varitek
Former Jedi Padawan
Pilot of the gas tanker Taloraan Sunrise
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| Admiral_Blackwood | Date: Friday, 31 Jul 2015, 4:24 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Sounds reasonable.
With that in mind, I've looked at the ships requested, as well as the sheer size of the Praetor on its own. Rather than the ISD, Interdictor and Secutor, I've settled on the following formation of the Praetor Battlegroup.
(x1) Praetor Mark II class Battlecruiser - The Praetor - Command Vessel of the Praetor Battlegroup
(x3) Imperial II class Frigates
While the Imperial II class Frigate is much larger than the mentioned CR90 corvette, it is from its design alone, a support vessel. With from what I've seen, the vessel is heavily dependent upon Starfighters and has a limited armament of ship to ship combat weapons. Meaning that it is much more like a Carrier than a Frigate. I believe this would be a perfect support vessel for the Praetor Mark II, as while the Praetor Mark II does have a sizable armament and starfighter capacity, much of said armament is focused for ship to ship combat, with the fighters acting more as a screen to defend against enemy starfighters.
The combination of the Praetor and the Imperial II would mean that the Imperial IIs would be dependent upon the Praetor's ship to ship weapons, and the Praetor would be dependent upon the Imperial II's starfighter compliment.
Admiral Blackwood
Commanding officer of the Praetor
Imperial Navy
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 05 Aug 2015, 11:27 PM | Message # 4 |
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| As I mentioned on another request a moment ago, I've spent the last week considering the Imperial II-class Frigate, and I'm afraid here too I'm against it. The Imperial II-class frigate is 1.) too heavily-armed to be used in conjunction with the Praetor-class. You make a good case that it's more of a carrier than a frigate and therefore a support vessel, but in addition to being too heavily-armed it's also 2.) too large. I proposed CR90s not just because they're lightly-armed, but also because, frankly, they're more easily-destructible. I would be against the Imperial II-class Frigate even with reduced armament because it's still too big and hard to destroy to be used along with the Praetor, which is already big and hard to destroy. Basically what I'm looking for here are ships that are vulnerable, because vulnerable the Praetor is not. I can understand that you might not want the CR90 because of its Rebel connotations, but whatever you choose should be close to the CR90 both in armament and in size.
Jace Varitek
Former Jedi Padawan
Pilot of the gas tanker Taloraan Sunrise
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 05 Aug 2015, 11:32 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I will take a step back though and say, if I'm willing to be persuaded on the Imperial II-class Frigate, it would be at most one of them, and that frigate and the Praetor would be Blackwood's entire fleet.
Jace Varitek
Former Jedi Padawan
Pilot of the gas tanker Taloraan Sunrise
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| Admiral_Blackwood | Date: Thursday, 06 Aug 2015, 0:06 AM | Message # 6 |
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| As spoken about through our conversation on Skype. The Praetor Battlegroup to be comprised of the following.
x1 Praetor Mark II Battlecruiser
x2 Tartan class Patrol Cruisers
As for the Praetor's Starfighter compliment, as agreed upon.
x24 TIE/ IN [Interceptors]- (x2 Squadrons)
x24 TIE/SA Bombers - (x2 Squadrons)
x72 TIE/LN - (x6 Squadrons)
Admiral Blackwood
Commanding officer of the Praetor
Imperial Navy
Message edited by Admiral_Blackwood - Thursday, 06 Aug 2015, 2:13 AM |
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| Management | Date: Thursday, 06 Aug 2015, 3:13 AM | Message # 7 |
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APPROVED.
Quote Admiral_Blackwood (  ) As spoken about through our conversation on Skype. The Praetor Battlegroup to be comprised of the following.
x1 Praetor Mark II Battlecruiser
x2 Tartan class Patrol Cruisers
As for the Praetor's Starfighter compliment, as agreed upon.
x24 TIE/ IN [Interceptors]- (x2 Squadrons)
x24 TIE/SA Bombers - (x2 Squadrons)
x72 TIE/LN - (x6 Squadrons)
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